Return-Path: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@vms.dc.LSOFT.COM Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE (segate.sunet.se [192.36.125.6]) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id RAA21560 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 17:34:04 +0200 Message-Id: <199512121534.RAA21560@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi> Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 1D1713BC ; Tue, 12 Dec 1995 16:34:04 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Dec 1995 10:43:41 -0500 Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: Re: ZAhO and tanru X-To: Lojban List To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199512090218.VAA18785@locke.ccil.org> from "ucleaar" at Dec 8, 95 11:57:43 pm Content-Length: 1116 Lines: 32 la .and. cusku di'e > Is there any difference > between {mi cao citka} and {mi ca citka}? Yes. "mi ca'o citka" says that at some unspecified time the process of my eating is/was/will be in progress. "mi ca citka" says that at the present time some unspecified part of my eating is in progress. > > na'e alters the meaning of the selbri itself - on some scale, > > Well we agee on this at least. > > > without necessarily referring to any of its sumti > > Does NAhE have sumti? "its sumti" = "the sumti attached to the selbri", I think. > > (which of course can make the implied scale rather ambiguous when > > na'e is used inside a tanru) > > If {cukta nanmu} is "book person", then why shouldn't {cukta nae > nanmu} be, no more and no less straightforwardly, "book non-person"? It depends on how you read "non-person". If you mean "something other than a person, on some implicit scale", then fine. If you mean "something that is not a person [merely]", then no: that is contradictory negation. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban.