Return-Path: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@vms.dc.LSOFT.COM Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE (segate.sunet.se [192.36.125.6]) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA02840 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 18:55:23 +0200 Message-Id: <199512071655.SAA02840@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi> Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id A4C3D0F4 ; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 17:55:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 12:00:14 -0500 Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: Re: comments on CONN.TXT X-To: Lojban List To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199512070007.TAA21114@locke.ccil.org> from "Jorge Llambias" at Dec 6, 95 05:58:17 pm Content-Length: 1144 Lines: 26 la .and. cusku di'e > > 11. "The place structure of "casnu" is: the mass x1 discusses/talks about > > x2 so the x1 place must be occupied by a mass". This seems nonsensical, > > unless the x1 of casnu is merely arbitrarily required to be a mass. So > > far as I can tell, only gunma's x1 needs to be a mass. la xorxes. cusku di'e > {casnu} is supposed to mean something like "x1 interchange opinions > about x2". It doesn't make much sense to have a single person casnuing, > unless they are talking to themselves. The restriction to being a mass > is nothing but that, I think. At one point it was intended to make the x1 of "casnu" a set, but someone (Nora?) pointed out that people may participate in a discussion without actually talking, so that a mass is a good model. Also, a discussion may continue with various people arriving or leaving without losing its identity. The main reason for not using an individual is that "le prenu cu casnu" would mean that >each< of them is discussing: begging the question "With whom?" -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban.