Return-Path: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@vms.dc.LSOFT.COM Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE (segate.sunet.se [192.36.125.6]) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA08324 for ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 08:01:45 +0200 Message-Id: <199512230601.IAA08324@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi> Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id FB9F08F9 ; Sat, 23 Dec 1995 7:01:44 +0100 Date: Sat, 23 Dec 1995 01:00:53 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: sera'aku le'ala'ezo PLI mezoigy. not yet gy. X-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 493 Lines: 12 The norm for pu'o is still that the event occurs. yes it can indeed cover exceptions where the event is prevented from occuring, but we have other cmavo to indicate actuality of an event if there is any doubt implicit in the context. So when necessary, you could say ba'opu'oca'a. But I agree that this is not really what you want if you are shooting for the complement of za'o. Some possibilities include to'eza'o or pu'ojoica'o to convey this sense of starting before the fact. lojbab