Return-Path: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@vms.dc.LSOFT.COM Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE (segate.sunet.se [192.36.125.6]) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id AAA29436 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 00:53:25 +0200 Message-Id: <199512202253.AAA29436@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi> Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id D0BEE762 ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 23:53:25 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:24:39 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: TECH: PROPOSAL: KUhAhU & KIhAhI X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 682 Lines: 17 I propose two cmavo, {kuau} (in selmao KUhAhU) and its corresponding terminator {kiai} (in selmao KIhAhI). They contain a bridi and yield a sumti. At present one must use LE + duu ... kei. There is no good reason to involve a selbri (duu). The resulting mismatch between syntax and semantics is very offensive. Jorge suggested (in effect) that {kuau} should be in LU. I have not proposed that, because LU ... LIhU contain not just bridi. I realize that Lojban Central will be unswayed by the case for these new cmavo, but when I have to use {duu} I experience a mental nausea so acute that it is almost visceral too. So for my own health I must start using {suau}. coo, mie And