From LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU Sun Dec 24 21:13:02 1995 Reply-To: ucleaar Date: Sun Dec 24 21:13:02 1995 Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: GEN: NAhEish ZAhO (PU: TECH: situation types) To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Status: OR Message-ID: Goran > > NOTE2: I agree with And that aspectuals should really be like NAhEs, > > that attach to brivla rather than to a whole selbri. This applies > > to all of them, not just the ZAhOs. For example, we could have: > > ko'a citno ba'o ralju > > He is a young ex-president. > > ko'a ba'o citno ralju > > He is an ex-young president. > > ko'a ba'o ke citno ralju > > He is an ex young-president. > > ko'a ta'e gleki reroi ralju > > He is a usually-happy two-times-president. > > ko'a roroi gleki ze'u citno co'a ralju > > He is an always-happy long-time-young starting-president. > .i la'edi'u te pilno zo zei xunai .i mu'a lu > .i ko'a citno ba'ozei ralju > .i ko'a ba'ozei citno ralju > .i ko'a ba'o citno ralju > .i ko'a ta'ezei gleki reroi ralju > .i ko'a ze'ezei gleki ze'uzei citno co'azei ralju We've been through this. It doesn't work. It couldn't handle "He is a happy ex young-president" {koa gleki bao ke citno ralju}. > I know it is longer, but doesn't need any grammar change. Note that the > thing you are proposing *is* change, and not just extension. It is pretty clear that this change will not come about officially. As far as I'm concerned, Xorxe & I were just pointing out that aspectuals *should* have NAhEish grammar. > Take {mi ba'o citka lo plise}. I know I used the construct a lot. If > your suggestion passes, lots of text will become outdated and hard to > figure out.) As far as I can tell offhand, the only thing that would be affected is old {le broda zao brode} which ought now to become {le broda cu zao brode}. coo, mie And