Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with ESMTP id OAA05433 for ; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 14:05:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199512071905.OAA05433@locke.ccil.org> Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id EF554EE9 ; Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:54:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Dec 1995 13:27:00 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: PROPOSED GRAMMAR CHANGE X4: Forethought bridi and bridi-tail connection X-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 726 X-From-Space-Date: Thu Dec 7 14:05:59 1995 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU >What is the semantic difference between {ta blanu} and {blanu fa ta}? >I don't see any special semantic content in the "observative" form. That is your problem. It's been explained to you often enough. >I don't see any special semantic content in the "observative" form. >At most it is a matter of emphasis, but that also exists in sentences >with foreterms, like {ko'a ko'e broda} vs {ko'a broda ko'e}. There is no rule that makes either of those two forms have different emphasis. Indeed in Russian, x2 is generally before the verb if it is a pronoun and after if it is anything else. NO emphasis implied. I have started to model that in my Lojban because of the intensity with which I have studied Russian. lojbab