Return-Path: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@vms.dc.LSOFT.COM Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE (segate.sunet.se [192.36.125.6]) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id SAA27314 for ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:12:54 +0200 Message-Id: <199512201612.SAA27314@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi> Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id DD486A63 ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 17:12:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 08:02:20 -0800 Reply-To: "John E. Clifford" Sender: Lojban list From: "John E. Clifford" Subject: lojban changes X-To: lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 960 Lines: 15 Looking at what I wrote the other day, I see that I have fallen too much into the atmosphere that pervades those threads. I do NOT think that Lojban is desperately in need of repair, even patching. No one has presented a really convincing case of something we just cannot say in Lojban; though there are many cases of things that are hard to say or whose accurate expression requires so much circumlocution that the message may get lost in the medium. But the language is as serviceable as English, wherre the same things are often even harder to get right. What Lojban lacks more than expressive ability is a clear statement of what can be said and how to say it and that's flip-side, a clear statement of what various constructions do say. A reference grammar and a dictionary for starts and a volume of good usage for follow-up. And Lojban is such a pretty thing that, with a good start, we will provide all that is needful and joy in doing so. pc>|83