From LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Sat Mar 6 22:46:02 2010 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list Date: Fri Dec 22 03:39:40 1995 From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: tech:opaque X-To: pcliffje@CRL.COM X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-From-Space-Date: Fri Dec 22 03:39:40 1995 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU Message-ID: I won't pretend to know what you mean by opaque and transparent places, but suspect I know the indirect issue here. kalte remains x1 hunts x2 for purpose x3, and x1 and x2 are both nonabstract. sisku was changed a while back to be "searching for property in set". There was further discussion in the endless "any" debate that MAY have concluded that this weird formulation was unnecessary as well as 'opaque' to the typical user %^), but no official decisions came out of said debate because no one has attempted to figure out what if anything was decided. So it is possible you are trying to talk about sisku and not kalte. lojbab