Return-Path: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@vms.dc.LSOFT.COM Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE (segate.sunet.se [192.36.125.6]) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id AAA29465 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 00:59:11 +0200 Message-Id: <199512202259.AAA29465@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi> Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 9ECC079E ; Wed, 20 Dec 1995 23:59:11 +0100 Date: Wed, 20 Dec 1995 18:24:16 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: TECH: situation types X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1292 Lines: 30 Jorge: > ZAhOs, ZEhAs and TAhEs should be freely combinable in any order. The > current restriction doesn't make much sense, given that, for example > {co'a jimpe} can have a short, medium, long or no duration, and > {ze'a jimpe} can have a start, an end, an aftermath, etc. > NOTE2: I agree with And that aspectuals should really be like NAhEs, > that attach to brivla rather than to a whole selbri. This applies > to all of them, not just the ZAhOs. For example, we could have: > ko'a citno ba'o ralju > He is a young ex-president. > ko'a ba'o citno ralju > He is an ex-young president. > ko'a ba'o ke citno ralju > He is an ex young-president. > ko'a ta'e gleki reroi ralju > He is a usually-happy two-times-president. > ko'a roroi gleki ze'u citno co'a ralju > He is an always-happy long-time-young starting-president. Absolutely. This is obviously much better than the present situation. I shan't recommend that the grammar be officially changed now, because apparently Lojban Central wants to rush out books describing a demonstrably flawed grammar, and making improvements retards this process. In another posting I'll add to the deliberations about what those people who want to improve Lojban can do. --- And