Return-Path: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@vms.dc.LSOFT.COM Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE (segate.sunet.se [192.36.125.6]) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA03289 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 23:52:57 +0200 Message-Id: <199512212152.XAA03289@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi> Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 8769CC00 ; Thu, 21 Dec 1995 22:52:55 +0100 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 1995 18:39:00 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: TECH HARANGUE: LE/LO X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 820 Lines: 20 > > If you & John agree that the > > identity of the referent of {le} shd always be known to the speaker, > > then I guess we can use John's old method (something about Orwat being > > a spy? - it had to do with spies, anyway): > > da zou koa krici leduu da brode (gie da broda) > Ortcutt, Bernard J. Ortcutt, a pillar of the community, of whom our hero > Ralph is glad to assert "Ortcutt is no spy". The man Ralph has seen > sneaking around the defense plant, OTOH, Ralph does believe to be a spy. > Unbeknownst to Ralph, these men are one and the same. So: > Ralph believes that Ortcutt is a spy (transparent) da poi kea me la ortcutt zou la ralf krici kuau da mipzga > and > Ralph believes that Ortcutt is no spy (opaque) la ralf krici kuau da poi kea me la ortcutt zou da mipzga --- And