From LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Sat Mar 6 22:46:21 2010 Reply-To: colin@kindness.demon.co.uk Sender: Lojban list Date: Thu Dec 28 16:03:12 1995 From: Colin Fine Organization: None Subject: erros in text Re: `already' {lojban/English sentences} X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-From-Space-Date: Thu Dec 28 16:03:12 1995 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU Message-ID: Bob, Besides the error with ga'inai that you've already noted, I believe you have quite a number of other errors - missing 'cu', '.i' etc. Yes what you've got parses, but I think if you look at the parse it's not what you intended: > 1. When the police arrived, the butler had already cleaned the rug. > > .i lo pulji se rinsa ba'o le zdase'u lo lolbo'o pu'i lumci > One or more police are greeted in the aftermath of what I designate > as the house type of servant can and has made clean the floor-sheet. > < I put the selbri last for dramatic effect. > (i {<[({lo KU} {ba'o }) (lo lolbo'o KU)] [(pu'i lumci) VAU]> "The police kind of greeted-arriver, in the aftermath of the butler, can and has washed the floor-sheet" .i lo pulji cu se rinsa ba'o le nu le zdase'u lo lolbo'o pu'i lumci ^^ ^^^^^ (I would prefer lolbu'u to lolbo'o, but that's a matter of taste) > > 2. "What!", the Inspector said, "You have already destroyed the evidence!" > > lu .ue .oi .a'onai .e'enaise'inai li'u > "Surprise, complaint, despair, incompetence attributed to other", > > la'e di'u se bacru lo ralja'a > the last utterance was uttered by the principle leader. > <[({<[lu ue oi a'o nai e'e nai se'i nai] FA'O li'u> } { <[lo ralja'a KU] VAU>}) i (ri {cusku < [(la'e di'e LU'U) (lu {do <[(ba'o pu'i) gasnu] VAU>} li'u)] VAU>})] (Quoted text) is uttered by the referent of the last with-unspecified- sumti-place the chief lu li'o li'u .i la'e di'u se bacru lo ralja'a ^^ > .i ri cusku la'e di'e > He said the following utterance: > > lu do ba'o pu'i gasnu lo nu > You are in the aftermath of can and has been an agentive cause of the event > > loi velji'i datni se daspo li'u > the mass of that which really is grounds-for-opinion-type-of-data > is destroyed. > He said the following to-audience "you have done the event the (subject-of-opinion data) kind-of destroyed thing..." .i ri cusku la'e di'e .i lu do ba'o pu'i gasnu lo nu loi xerji'i datni cu se daspo li'u ^^ ^^^ ^^ > 3. "But the others already came!" said the butler meekly. "Weren't > they police?" > > lu .i .ue ku'i lei drata prenu ba'o vitke li'u > Surprise, however, the mass of other people are in the aftermath of visiting. > > la'e di'u se cusku le zdase'u ga'inai > the last utterance was said by the house-type of servant meekly. > > lu .i xu lei drata cu pulji li'u > Is it true or false that the mass of others were police? > [({lu <[i ue ku'i] [(lei {drata prenu} KU) ({ba'o vitke} VAU)]> li'u} {la'e di'u LU'U}) ({se cusku} {<[le (zdase'u ga'i nai) KU] [lu ({i xu} { cu }) li'u]> VAU})]>})> (quoted string) is expressed by the-referent-of-the-last to the butler (humility) by-medium (quoted string) lu .i .ue ku'i ga'inai lei drata prenu ba'o vitke li'u .i la'e di'u se cusku le zdase'u ^^ .i lu .i xu lei drata cu pulji li'u ^^ (making your change re ga'inai. I would also prefer 'zvati' to 'vitke', and something like 'ja'opei' (or even je'unaipei) to xu) -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Colin Fine 33 Pemberton Drive, Bradford BD7 1RA 01274 733680 | | colin@kindness.demon.co.uk | | "There are no extraordinary people: There are only ordinary people doing| | extraordinary things with what they have been given" - K.B.Brown | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------