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Reply-To: ucleaar <ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK>
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Date: Thu Dec 21 14:28:18 1995
From: ucleaar <ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK>
Subject:      Re: TECH HARANGUE: LE/LO
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To: John Cowan <cowan@LOCKE.CCIL.ORG>
Status: OR
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> > If you & John agree that the
> > identity of the referent of {le} shd always be known to the speaker,
> > then I guess we can use John's old method (something about Orwat being
> > a spy? - it had to do with spies, anyway):
> >    da zou koa krici leduu da brode (gie da broda)
> Ortcutt, Bernard J. Ortcutt, a pillar of the community, of whom our hero
> Ralph is glad to assert "Ortcutt is no spy".  The man Ralph has seen
> sneaking around the defense plant, OTOH, Ralph does believe to be a spy.
> Unbeknownst to Ralph, these men are one and the same.  So:
>        Ralph believes that Ortcutt is a spy (transparent)

   da poi kea me la ortcutt zou la ralf krici kuau da mipzga

> and
>        Ralph believes that Ortcutt is no spy (opaque)

   la ralf krici kuau da poi kea me la ortcutt zou da mipzga

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