Return-Path: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@vms.dc.LSOFT.COM Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE (segate.sunet.se [192.36.125.6]) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA04963 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 10:21:23 +0200 Message-Id: <199512220821.KAA04963@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi> Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 52C82AD7 ; Fri, 22 Dec 1995 9:21:22 +0100 Date: Fri, 22 Dec 1995 03:20:57 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: tech:opaque X-To: pcliffje@CRL.COM X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 635 Lines: 12 I won't pretend to know what you mean by opaque and transparent places, but suspect I know the indirect issue here. kalte remains x1 hunts x2 for purpose x3, and x1 and x2 are both nonabstract. sisku was changed a while back to be "searching for property in set". There was further discussion in the endless "any" debate that MAY have concluded that this weird formulation was unnecessary as well as 'opaque' to the typical user %^), but no official decisions came out of said debate because no one has attempted to figure out what if anything was decided. So it is possible you are trying to talk about sisku and not kalte. lojbab