From LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET Sat Mar 6 22:45:29 2010 Reply-To: Bill Bottenberg Sender: Lojban list Date: Sun Dec 24 01:38:27 1995 From: Bill Bottenberg Subject: Re: seldanfu: retry2 X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-From-Space-Date: Sun Dec 24 01:38:27 1995 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU Message-ID: la kris cuska >(Translation follows at end) >roci le notci fi do ca'a se benji .i le liste selpla cu na benji da le ve benji > >>le jipci goi purci loi jipci i. le jipcyso'a goi ko'e purci loi jipyso'a > >le jipci na'e purci loi jipci .i le jipci cu se gunma loi jipci > >>.i ko'a purci ko'e gi'i ko'e purci ko'a > > > purci fa ko'a ko'e gi'i purci fa ko'e ko'a >mi'e kris. > > >All 3 of your messages did get sent. The mail software does not send >messages back to the sender. > >Individual chickens can't precede Chickendom; they're members of Chickendom. just so > >That's not grammatically correct. How about this: > > Does chickendom precede eggdom or eggdom precede chickendom? > >In my opinion they're simultaneous. yup, I missed the usage of purci, until after I posted. also, thanks for the info on the mail software. I was receiving back mss with every other line deleted. Odd. I think that Darwin has answered the question and I have been wrestling with stating it logically and then lojbanically, I think I have the logic part right, now I struggle with the lojban consider the set of present-day-chicken ancestors, X consider the subset of chicken ancestors that are not chickens, Y there is a member y of Y such that at least one member of x is a 'child' of y and all members of X not in x's brood are descendants of x (theory of evolution says: this condition happened at least once, there is probably only one event like this) the egg of y is of some type, Y-like-ness, but not chicken the hatchling of y is a chicken, x the eggs of x are of type-chicken (three ways this can happen, but all give same result) therefore chicken came first, before eggs-of-type-chicken this is the lojbanic answer since the X2 of sovda refers to the species of the parent. This almost looks like language structure forcing an interpretation.