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Date:         Tue, 30 Jan 1996 05:39:09 EST
Reply-To: Irene Gates <70732.244@COMPUSERVE.COM>
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From: Irene Gates <70732.244@COMPUSERVE.COM>
Subject:      JVOPLACE.TXT part 1 of 2
To: Veijo Vilva <veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI>
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coi rodo


la djan. kau,n. cusku di'e

> I especially urge people who are new to the language to read
> the [lujvo place structure] paper, [...]

Since I qualify, I made some notes as I read part 1.  I found the paper
crystal-clear, so it was easy to pick out the very few bits that didn't seem
right.  Of course, since I *am* new to the language, it's possible in some of
these cases that the paper is right and I am wrong.

**Section 1.  Example 1.3 seems to have been munched.

**Section 2.  A nitpicky comment on the already-distant relationship between
Spot and the White House: Socks is not Bill Clinton's cat, but Bill Clinton's
daughter's cat.

**Section 6.  I couldn't parse the following, although I could see what you were
getting at:

> [...] these gismu differ in their number of arguments, and turning of
> "klama" places in a lujvo doesn't make any sense if the resulting
> place modified place structure is that of "litru" or "cliva".

**Section 7. In this example, p3 appears twice, as the author and the performer:

> s1=p3 sings sung-poem s2=p1 about p2 by author p3 for audience s3=p4

**Section 8.  Shouldn't "bavlamji" be "bavlamdei" in the following?:

> Otherwise, "bavlamji" is an ordinary parallel lujvo with one additional
> anomaly:  While parallel lujvo normally put any trailing tertanru places
> before any seltanru places, the day standard is a much less important
> concept than the day the tomorrow follows, in the definition of "bavlamdei".

**Section 9.  In the following, se3 didn't get relabelled back to st3.

> or, relabeling the places,
>        f1=st2 is a bill specifying f2 for community f3 under conditions f4
>                by lawgiver/suggester f5=st1 to audience se3
> where the last place (se3) is probably some sort of legislature.

**Section 11.  Examples 11.3 and 11.5 are referred to in the text, although no
examples have been numbered since 2.4.


co'omi'e .airinix.

Irene Gates