From LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU Wed Jan 17 01:33:04 1996 Received: from vms.dc.lsoft.com (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with ESMTP id BAA07682 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 01:32:37 -0500 Message-Id: <199601170632.BAA07682@locke.ccil.org> Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by vms.dc.lsoft.com (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 355CC679 ; Wed, 17 Jan 1996 1:04:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 23:36:07 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: sera'aku SNU: ki'e doi skot. X-To: dwiggins@BFSEC.BT.CO.UK X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1427 >Describing a culture as a two-part lujvo. This seems an extraordinary idea. >Is it possible? For instance, how does one do Irish? I proposed at one time making skoto broad enough to cover all Celtics, at which point Irish is simply west-celtic. Not sure if we agreed to this, of course. But the precedent is already there. We have had proposed New-latin for Romance or possibly Italian, andif the former, then cabna-latin for Italian. There have been compunds of merko proposed to handle the "native ASmericans" but no consensus was achieved - I think "early-American" was considered better than "born=native=American" which is hopelessly malglico. We DID plan on "south-slavic" to refer to the general class, but no one had suggested any specifics for the particular south slavic cultures. There was also some proposal to handle belarussian (white-russian would be malrusko) and Ukrainian before we added a gismu for the latter. Plattdeutsch might be "sea-edge-German". Dutch might be "West-German". I will let others have fun continuing. But the real decision for a given culture should get some input from that culture. We have too many cases of cultures being named in another language by people of that language choosing an inappropriate or even insulting metaphor. (I believe Russian "nemetskiy" is from an underlying insulting metaphor for the Germans, for example). lojbab