Return-Path: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@vms.dc.LSOFT.COM
Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE (segate.sunet.se [192.36.125.6]) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id CAA31747 for <veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI>; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 02:47:55 +0200
Message-Id: <199601200047.CAA31747@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi>
Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id C7A51EBF ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 1:47:54 +0100
Date:         Wed, 17 Jan 1996 10:45:19 -0500
Reply-To: John Cowan <cowan@LOCKE.CCIL.ORG>
Sender: Lojban list <LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET>
From: John Cowan <cowan@LOCKE.CCIL.ORG>
Subject:      Re: TECH QUERY: variant fu'ivla
X-To:         Lojban List <lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu>
To: Veijo Vilva <veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI>
In-Reply-To:  <9601162204.AA27065@gstldnsrv2.lonnds.ml.com> from "Julian Pardoe
              LADS LDN X1428" at Jan 16, 96 10:04:29 pm
Content-Length: 1454
Lines: 33

la .djulian. cusku di'e

> Anyway, excuse my ignorance but what is a fu'ivla?   It's not a word-
> category I remember hearing about.

It's the preferred term for what we used to call "le'avla", on the grounds
that "le'avla" = "lebnyvalsi" and "lebna" signifies "taking away" rather
than just "taking", as if the source language no longer had the word!
So now "fu'ivla" = "fukpyvalsi" = "copy-word" (note that a copy need not
be a perfect replica of the original).

> Hmm!  Words like "ricrxacere" sound like what I thought were called
> le'avla, i.e. borrowed words, of which the paradigm example is
> "djarspageti" (tho' my favorites were the ones that appeared in the
> translations of some of Aesop's fables, "resprtestudo" and some word
> meaning "crab").
>
> Is this right?  And what are the <n : n >= 3> types of fu'ivla?

Type 1 = borrowed names
Type 2 = ad hoc borrowed brivla, possibly with morphological errors,
        flagged with prefix "za'e", the nonce-word marker.
Type 3 = brivla with gismu-based prefix, the kind most often used.
Type 4 = carefully borrowed brivla without prefix

At present, Type 2 fu'ivla aren't used, because making Type 3 ones is
just too easy, and no official Type 4 ones have been created, because
Type 4 is intended for fu'ivla that get into heavy use, and there has been
no heavy use of any fu'ivla.

--
John Cowan                                      cowan@ccil.org
                e'osai ko sarji la lojban.