Return-Path: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@vms.dc.LSOFT.COM Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE (segate.sunet.se [192.36.125.6]) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id RAA32095 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 17:32:28 +0200 Message-Id: <199601221532.RAA32095@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi> Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id AEC73711 ; Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:32:28 +0100 Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 10:54:23 -0500 Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: ro broda/ro lo broda X-To: Lojban List To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199601220739.CAA18654@locke.ccil.org> from "Gerald Koenig" at Jan 21, 96 04:46:57 pm Content-Length: 863 Lines: 22 la .and. cusku di'e > >John has made {re xirma} and {re lo xirma} nonequivalent in either one > >or two ways (they're different with respect to dogbiting behaviour > >("2 men bite 3 dogs" - how many dogs?) and possibly with respect to > >existential import. la djer. cusku di'e > djer: Did I miss something about the installation of this vague change > in an era of five years of no change? Maybe I should go to lojfest. The era of 5 years has not yet begun. I proposed tentatively the restoration of Loglan semantics: "ro broda" means "ro da poi broda" rather than "ro lo broda", and "ro broda/ro da poi broda" and "ro lo broda" are distinct because the former has local scope (only over what follows) whereas the latter has bridi-level scope. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban.