From LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU Sat Jan 20 16:38:51 1996 Received: from wnt.dc.lsoft.com (wnt.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.7]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with ESMTP id QAA05348 for ; Sat, 20 Jan 1996 16:37:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199601202137.QAA05348@locke.ccil.org> Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by wnt.dc.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.0a) with SMTP id D85C2240 ; Thu, 18 Jan 1996 2:08:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Jan 1996 00:03:33 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: SNU: xorvo X-To: topic@STUDENT.MATH.HR X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1385 >Yep. But it's four term - and I find a two syllable word very attractive >in an ba'e informal speech. I don't propose to put it in any >of the official dictionaries. Okay? I then propose that you propose a type IV fu'ivla. I will suggest "xrvska" as a natural. The weakness os that it has no rafsi, and that therefore you need to ise "zei" to make a "lujvo". But this also may be remedied by an unconvention that is still legal: xrvskagu'e is another type IV fu'ivla, as would be xrvgu'e if you really want brevity. I think I would rather see a stretching of rules within the Type 3 and 4 fu'ivla than crossing the line into gismu/lujvo space, and especially rafsi space. That is becuase, while it is only informal and a non-proposal now, you ARE after all one of our most prolific Lojbanists, and your examples will be emulated. And your informalities will, like mine, come to be treated as gospel. Then 5 years from now when we do DESCRIPTIVE Lojban dictionaries, we will have to acknowledge the reality of xorvo, or worse yet, resolve the ambiguity when someone else has proposed a "real" gismu that would naturally use "xro". The main wekaness in proposing a Type IV fu'ivla is that we NEVER make it official without checking it against the morphology algorithm - Nora has a program. But I am pretty sure the above suggestions work. lojbab