Return-Path: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@vms.dc.LSOFT.COM Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE (segate.sunet.se [192.36.125.6]) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id QAA12573 for ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 16:30:13 +0200 Message-Id: <199601301430.QAA12573@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi> Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 5050F3A5 ; Tue, 30 Jan 1996 15:30:14 +0100 Date: Tue, 30 Jan 1996 09:58:37 -0500 Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Subject: Re: pensyrespa X-To: Lojban List To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: from "Steven M. Belknap" at Jan 29, 96 05:17:07 pm Content-Length: 2656 Lines: 62 la stivn. cusku di'e > Actually, this utterance would be impossible for an hypothermic human. > Living in the midwest, and attending to the care of street people, I have > had several patients with that degree of hypothermia. Physiologically, 5=B0C > is a *big* deficit. Enzyme reaction rates are nearly halved. Coma is an > invariable consequence. So the of the statement could not be human, > because comatose humans do not construct utterances. I bow to your superior expertise. > Actually, > poikilothermy is a fuzzy concept. Fish and reptiles *can* partially > regulate their internal body temperatures through several means, such as > variable muscular activity (demonstrated in tuna), rete mirable or other > countercurrent heat exchange mechanisms or by seeking environmental sources > or sinks of heat. I actually like the idea of pensyrespa, though. Maybe > lojban is the lost language of the dinosaurs... :-) Sounds good to me; Harry Harrison's description of Yilan\'e sounds like a garbled version of Lojban tanru... Also, aren't there recorded cases of human poikilothermy? H.P. Lovecraft was one such, if I remember -- he couldn't tolerate temperatures below 80 deg. F., and once collapsed on the street on a balmy spring day. > But for beginners, I think it is confusing to use cu in this way. > Doesn't your sentence work only because and are one-place > gismu? No. Descriptors like "le" accept a following selbri only, not a full bridi; if you want to fill x2 or later places of that selbri, you must use "be...bei...be'o" glue. > Wouldn't you need a to prevent a multi-place sumti from sucking > up the rest of the utterance? No; there are no "multi-place sumti". > Either or may be elidible in many > expressions, but the early introduction of illustrates an > important simple construct: how to parethensize sumti, which is not well > explained in the reference grammer texts, though it is explained in one of > the old lessons (Lesson 2?). I would argue for supporting it early in the > textbook. Remember, however, that this paper is part of the reference grammar, not the textbook. In point of fact, fastpace.txt (A Fast-Paced Introduction) will be an early reference-grammar chapter, and it uses precisely this technique. This paper is a modified version of the Diagrammed Grammar Summary. > A word on getting these files. [troubles deleted] I can't reproduce any of your problems from any of several different sites. Complain loudly to your local sysadmin. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban.