Received: from wnt.dc.lsoft.com (wnt.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.7]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with ESMTP id LAA03290 for ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 11:30:34 -0500 Message-Id: <199601121630.LAA03290@locke.ccil.org> Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by wnt.dc.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.0a) with SMTP id 1D5C4350 ; Fri, 12 Jan 1996 10:59:59 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Jan 1996 13:04:29 GMT Reply-To: Don Wiggins Sender: Lojban list From: Don Wiggins Subject: sera'aku mezo stizu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 771 X-From-Space-Date: Fri Jan 12 11:30:37 1996 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU > >Material can be expressed when required using the modal "ma'e" and a sitter > >using selbri-to-modal conversion of "fi'o zutse". .i mu'a zoigy. This is a > >wooden chair I sit on gy. selfanva fulu ti stizu ma'e loi mudri fi'o zutse mi > >li'u > > > Understood. But the use of ma'e implies a relation between and the > sitter which is more distant than if had a sumti place for > "sitter." > But in the case of > , a chair interacts rather intermittently with the buttocks of the > sitter; this intimacy ought be reflected in its sumti. This is a "seltse", a thing which is sat upon. A chair is a piece of furniture. If you are going to be really picky there is "stizu seltse" and "tizyseltse", but the tanru would not be necessary in use.