Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with ESMTP id SAA06559 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 18:53:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199602162353.SAA06559@locke.ccil.org> Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id C6E1D2A9 ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 18:19:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 16:02:14 -0700 Reply-To: Chris Bogart Sender: Lojban list From: Chris Bogart Subject: Accents for apostrophes? To: lojban@cuvmb.bitnet MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1354 X-From-Space-Date: Tue Feb 20 15:02:55 1996 X-From-Space-Address: - >The basic problem is that, in fixed-width founts at least, {'} contains >a lot of white space and so tends to break things up. Many languages >use an apostrophe as a kind of word-separator so that this isn't such >a problem -- and few languages use quite as many as Lojban. Hmmm, I can see that, but I usually use a proportional font, so I'm used to= =20 lojban words looking pretty coherent. How about this: a graphical convention that says in a fixed-width font (or= =20 any font, I guess) you can represent the apostrophe by a forward accent over= =20 the second letter, or a backward one over the first letter, or something=20 like that. For your example sentence,=20 {.itu'e ro ma'arbi'i ba galtu} =20 we could write:=20 {.itu=E9 ro ma=E1rbi=ED ba galtu} Unfortunately that probably won't help much with usenet/email lojban, since= =20 people don't always have the same accented letters available, and people who= =20 do are more likely to have proportional fonts available anyway! >I do find that the {'}s and {.i}s do make Lojban visually incoherent. Usually the {.} appears at the beginning or end of a word, so it only=20 contributes to breaking the words apart. So I have to disagree about {.i}. = =20 I do agree in the case of words like "na.a" that have a period in the middle= =20 of them. But they're quite rare.