From - Tue Feb 20 15:00:18 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with ESMTP id FAA07969 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 05:52:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199602161052.FAA07969@locke.ccil.org> Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id BE4C75B4 ; Fri, 16 Feb 1996 5:19:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Feb 1996 05:16:58 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: loglan rapprochement orthography X-To: pardoej@LONNDS.ML.COM X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1331 >Anyway, I have one serious question. It is not clear from the sources I have >read (maybe because I missed the vital para) whether V'V counts as one >syllable or two. Is it {fi'ORtu'a} or {fi'orTU'a} -- or even {FI'ortu'a}? One of the reasons we put apostrophe in the language was to resolve this question, which JCB left ambiguous and speaker dependent. All marked dissyllable are of course, 2 syllables, and it is incorrect to try to pronounce them as one. Thus {fi'orTU'a} is correct. "Normal" capitalization and punctuation is not a viable alternative because we do need markable stress (which using apostrophe for glottal stop among all possibioities along with "normal capitalization" eliminates both standard ways of showing syllable stress in orthography). We also need internal syllabification marking to show intended pronunciation of names "r,l" vs "rl", so you need a syllable mark that pretty much has to be some kind of punctuation mark. This dooms the software programs to be messed up no matter what we do. And of course cpaitalization and final period are a convention that has no significance in Lojban since the sentence boundary is always marked by a cmavo (verbal punctuation). So you end up wasting two features of orthography on merely aesthetic considerations. lojbab