From LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU Thu Feb 8 07:32:43 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with ESMTP id HAA28636 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 07:32:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199602081232.HAA28636@locke.ccil.org> Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id C9021961 ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 7:01:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 07:00:40 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: tech: logic matters X-To: jlk@NETCOM.COM X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1578 >This is an example of an ad hominum argument which carries no logical >weight with me, and a good argument for the committee for language >design, (CLD) where personal differences could be resolved and business >transacted. Why do you think a committe would lead to the resolution of personal differences. Most committees have exactly the opposite effect and enhance suhc differences. pc and Carter go back a long way with the mutual disrespect, which is I believe only humorously ad hominem. The two of them have different assumptions on what it means to be a logical language. pc has the credentials, and the knowledge that JCB agreed with him more than with Carter. pc is also our final arbiter on matters logical. So in case of pc vs. anyone else, there is no need for a committee- you will need someone who can convince pc (who is nothing if not open minded on most issues). It was pc who dubbed carters Loglan efforts as "Nalgol" because he "got Loglan all backwards". Since Carter thereafter used the label Nalgol himself, I have alwasy presumed that no offense was taken. This is NOT something that can be settled by a committee. If logic has a standard of right and wrong, then we have to support that standard. If math uses a different standard, then someone should argue for a DIFFERENT short form for that standard. I can't tell in the messages flying by whether that is what has resulted from this diuscussion. But the decision as to what "ro" means is basically up to pc - on this matter, he IS the CLD. lojbab