Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by mail1.access.digex.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id DAA19768; for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 03:37:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199602130837.DAA19768@mail1.access.digex.net> Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id F071FF25 ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 3:36:35 -0500 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 10:25:53 BG Reply-To: Ivan A Derzhanski Sender: Lojban list From: Ivan A Derzhanski Subject: Re: *old response on "moskvas" To: Bob LeChevalier In-Reply-To: Message of Sun, 11 Feb 1996 01:52:50 -0500 from Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 711 X-From-Space-Date: Tue Feb 13 03:37:04 1996 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU On Sun, 11 Feb 1996 01:52:50 -0500 Logical Language Group said: [re Moscow's Russian name and its possible lojbanisation] >Thus the choice is presumably between "mazg,VAS." or "mask,FAS." and the >former seems more true to the Russian pronunciation scheme than the latter. Actually, neither is close. That /v/ acts as a sonorant; it doesn't envoice (is that a word?) preceding consonants. Of course, it doesn't get devoiced either; assimilation doesn't work in that direction. The closest thing Lojban has to a sonorant /v/ is, I reckon, non-syllabic /u/, so {mosKUA} (or {mysKUA} if you need to reflect the vowel reduction) would be my entry. (Though it doesn't beat {zoi rus. Moskva rus.". :-)) --Ivan