Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with ESMTP id HAA28743 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 07:40:54 -0500 Message-Id: <199602081240.HAA28743@locke.ccil.org> Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id EF0939B1 ; Thu, 8 Feb 1996 7:10:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 07:07:48 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: fuzzy logic proposals X-To: jlk@NETCOM.COM X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: OR X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 933 X-From-Space-Date: Thu Feb 8 07:40:55 1996 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@UBVM.CC.BUFFALO.EDU The argument that Cowan's proposal is "idiomatic" loses me. Of course it is "idiomatic" - that is what "convention" means. We have an expression set that is plausible in the language and which has no well-defined meaning, nor is it at all in use, so we define it to mean something useful to some people. As to whether "idiomatic" usage is appropriate in the logical portions of the language - well scalar negation isn't the strongly truth-functional logical portiuon of the language (though perhaps, Cowan intends that th convention be used on ja'a as well as je'a). But if anything, the recent discussion should have made clear that most of what we call logic is a matter of convention. We have two contradictory assumptions as to what "ro" might mean, and djer has observed that math uses on and pc has observed that logicians use another. Whatever gets decided is there a "convention" and hence in a sense an idiom. lojbab