Return-Path: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@vms.dc.LSOFT.COM Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE (segate.sunet.se [192.36.125.6]) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi (8.7.1/8.7.1) with ESMTP id VAA03714 for ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 21:25:24 +0200 Message-Id: <199602131925.VAA03714@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi> Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id DD7BCB2A ; Tue, 13 Feb 1996 20:25:23 +0100 Date: Tue, 13 Feb 1996 11:14:43 -0700 Reply-To: Chris Bogart Sender: Lojban list From: Chris Bogart Subject: Re: PLI: "except" X-To: lojban@cuvmb.bitnet To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1210 Lines: 36 > ko'a krici le du'u la djan po'okau klama > She believes that only John goes. > > ko'a krici le du'u la djan po'o klama > Only John is such that she believes that he goes. > >But since people have turned down my {po'onai} for "except", I still >don't know how to handle that one. How about a new lujvo for "only", like {pavgri} (from pamei girzu) or {pavykai} or something, with the structure "x1 is the only thing with quality (ka) x2". ko'a krici ledu'u la djan. pavgri leka klama She believes that John is a singleton-of-things-sharing-the-quality-of going or just ko'a krici ledu'u la djan. klama pavgri She believes that John is a goer type of only-thing Your second sentence could be: la djan. pavgri leka ko'a krici ledu'u ke'akau klama John's the only one who has the quality that she believes that he goes. (That's not right, is it? -- I need the new lambda variable, which of course I za'onu'o put in my online dictionary. You use kau with du'u, ke'a with POI, and the new PA thingy with ka; right?) ____ Chris Bogart \ / http://www.quetzal.com Boulder, CO \/ cbogart@quetzal.com Fuck Censorship!