From - Mon Mar 04 09:37:31 1996 Received: from wnt.dc.lsoft.com (wnt.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.7]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with ESMTP id LAA13097 for ; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 11:58:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199603021658.LAA13097@locke.ccil.org> Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by wnt.dc.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.0a) with SMTP id DC25B280 ; Sat, 2 Mar 1996 11:17:36 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Mar 1996 11:20:11 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: fuzzy: vs. To: sbelknap@UIC.EDU Cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1108 >My enthusiasm for was engendered by my apparently mistaken >impression that did everything did. Selmaho of the class MOI >take numerical expressions and yield ordinals. Selmaho of the class XOI >take numerical expressions and yield a NA. The error is your first statement: selma'o of MOI take a quantifier and yield a PREDICATE, not necessarily an ordinal, and indeed not an ordinal quantifier. In the case of MOI, the quantifier is not a place of the predicate itself, but part of the formation of the predicate, and I think And is noting that you could come up with a nearly equivalent predicate that used the quantifier (marked with "li" of course) as a sumti, and obtained the same meaning. The predicate so reusulting could be used in tanru, in sei/se'u phrases, etc. There is a predicate equivalent to negation/affirmation: jetnu/jitfa so you can use a predicate with jetnu to get the equivalent of ja'a with a subscript. There are all manner of other areas, some unexplored, where predicates can pop into unusual grammatical locations. lojbab