From cowan Sun Mar 10 20:44:41 1996
Subject: TECH: PROPOSED GRAMMAR CHANGE 2$i
From: John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org>
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Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 20:44:41 -0500 (EST)
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CHANGE 41: ANNULLED

PROPOSED CHANGE:

A new syntax is added for nested forethought relative clauses, using
the new cmavo "pe'e" of the new selma'o PEhE.  The center-embedding of

	le (poi le (poi le tcadu cu se klama ku'o) nanmu cu se viska ku'o) verba

which is the forethought relative clause version of

	le verba poi le nanmu poi le tcadu cu se klama [ku'o] cu se viska

can be rewritten more clearly as

	le poi le tcadu cu se klama pe'e nanmu cu se viska ku'o verba


	le poi viska le poi klama le tcadu vau nanmu vau verba

OBJECTION:

This change is simply too hard to explain and too complex to work out
at this late date.  Loglan historically didn't have preposed relative
clauses, and they still are not as well supported as postposed ones.
Complexities like this work better in languages where nouns and verbs
are visibly distinct, like German or Finnish.