From lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Thu Mar 07 23:49:29 1996 Received: from punt4.demon.co.uk by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA10702 ; Thu, 07 Mar 96 23:49:26 GMT Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk id 826147696:03911:0; Wed, 06 Mar 96 21:28:16 GMT Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([128.228.1.2]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa03243; 6 Mar 96 21:27 GMT Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 8397; Wed, 06 Mar 96 16:26:53 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 7829; Wed, 06 Mar 96 16:27:16 EDT Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 19:31:32 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: TECH: fuzzy X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Multiple recipients of list LOJBAN Message-ID: <826147632.3243.0@cunyvm.cuny.edu> Status: R Lojbab: > >> There is a predicate equivalent to negation/affirmation: jetnu/jitfa > >> so you can use a predicate with jetnu to get the equivalent of ja'a > >> with a subscript. There are all manner of other areas, some > >> unexplored, where predicates can pop into unusual grammatical locations. > >True, and quantifiers and connectives can be replaced by predicates too. > >But with much upheaval. If you use {jitfa} instead of {na} then you're > >going to have to use prenexes: {ro da zou kuau da broda kiai jitfa} > >= {ro da na ku broda}. > You only need prenexes when you are using prenexed variables like "da". "Three of the people each sort of went" = {ci le prenu jaa xi something ku klama} "Three of the people each did not go" = {ci le prenu na ku klama} Try doing that with {jitfa}. Not easy. > mi sei li fuzzyvalue cu fuzzybroda cu klama > (the latter being an example of apllying fuzz to "mi" rather than to the > truth value), which cannot be accomplished easily without free modifiers. I wouldn't have a clue how to interpret that lojban sentence. coo, mie And