From lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Sun Mar 24 10:23:14 1996 Received: from punt4.demon.co.uk by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA10944 ; Sun, 24 Mar 96 10:23:13 BST Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk id 827588759:26519:0; Sat, 23 Mar 96 13:45:59 GMT Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([128.228.1.2]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa26316; 23 Mar 96 13:45 GMT Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 5974; Sat, 23 Mar 96 08:45:09 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0903; Sat, 23 Mar 96 08:45:43 EDT Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 15:35:51 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: Opacity and "sisku" X-To: Lojban List To: Multiple recipients of list LOJBAN Message-ID: <827588732.26316.0@cunyvm.cuny.edu> Status: R Djan: > There seems to have been some sort of confusion about the place > structure I proposed for "sisku", with a property in x2. This > did not mean that "sisku" was a search for properties, but rather > a structure of the form: > x1 searches for a thing/things with property x2 from field (set) x3 [...] > da poi bloti zo'u mi sisku le ka me da > There exists a boat X such that I search for something with > the property of being X. > mi sisku le ka [ce'u zo'u] ce'u bloti > I search-for-something-with the property-that {x : x is-a-boat}. I don't object to this structure in itself, but I don't see why {sisku} should be different from {nitcu}, {djica}, {kaltu}, etc etc. Are you able to persuade Lojbab to change the place structures of all opacifying gismu, so they match {sisku}? coo; mie and