From lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Sun Mar 24 10:23:10 1996 Received: from punt4.demon.co.uk by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA10943 ; Sun, 24 Mar 96 10:23:05 BST Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk id 827588759:26510:0; Sat, 23 Mar 96 13:45:59 GMT Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([128.228.1.2]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa26307; 23 Mar 96 13:45 GMT Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 5973; Sat, 23 Mar 96 08:45:08 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0900; Sat, 23 Mar 96 08:45:42 EDT Date: Sat, 16 Mar 1996 15:35:24 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: CHANGE 46 X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Multiple recipients of list LOJBAN Message-ID: <827588730.26307.0@cunyvm.cuny.edu> Status: R > PROPOSED CHANGE: > The syntax "NUhI terms NUhU EK terms /NUhU/" is REMOVED from Lojban. > It is a hybrid of forethought (the NUhI) and afterthought, and is > overly restrictive. > Instead, a "term group" construct is introduced, joining the terms > with the new cmavo "ce'e" of the new selma'o CEhE. A logical connective > is permitted but not required, thus: "term ce'e term ... pe'e EK term > ce'e term ..." "pe'e" belongs to the new selma'o PEhE. > The corresponding forethought syntax remains "NUhI GEK terms NUhU GIK > terms NUhU", and the syntax "NUhI terms NUhU", with no logical connective, > is added as well. > RATIONALE: [...] > The other problem is that of indicating that two numerically quantified > sumti have co-equal scope: > ci nanmu re gerku cu batci > says that three men bite two dogs each, for a possible total of six dogs, > whereas > ci nanmu ce'e re gerku cu batci > nu'i ci nanmu re gerku nu'u cu batci > says that three men bite two dogs each, the same two dogs. I presume this is not supposed to be a general solution, and your ci broda vs. ci lo broda solution still stands. cee/nui wouldn't work for {troci fa ci nanmu loi nunbatci be voa bei re (lo) gerku}, would it? coo; mie and