From cowan Sun Mar 10 20:44:34 1996 Subject: TECH: PROPOSED GRAMMAR CHANGE 2$i From: John Cowan To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Date: Sun, 10 Mar 1996 20:44:34 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Content-Length: 1163 Message-ID: CHANGE 38: ANNULLED PRESENT LANGUAGE: There is currently no defined way to do lambda quantification. PROPOSED CHANGE: Add "ce'u" of the new selma'o CEhU. This is a new kind of quantifier_300, parallel to number-strings and parenthesized mathematical expressions. RATIONALE: Lambda quantification is needed to specify which place(s) of a "ka" abstraction are being abstracted over. In early versions of this change, "ce'u" was a PA digit, which would not require a grammatical change, but would allow lots of new kinds of garbage. Now "ce'u" is limited to quantifying sumti and forming indefinite descriptions. (This change involved renumbering selma'o CMENE, CO, COI, CU, CUhE.) OBJECTION: It is sufficient to make "ce'u" a KOhA, somewhat analogous to "ke'a", the KOhA used within relative clauses. Both of these work only in restricted contexts. "ce'u broda" becomes "ce'u poi broda" without change in meaning. Jorge and And argued for overloading "ke'a" in both senses, but Lojban Central finds that too confusing. RESOLUTION: No grammar change: "ce'u" is a KOhA. The renumbering of selma'o stands.