From - Mon Mar 04 09:36:13 1996 Received: from VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (vms.dc.lsoft.com [205.186.43.2]) by locke.ccil.org (8.6.9/8.6.10) with ESMTP id QAA20052 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:50:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199603012150.QAA20052@locke.ccil.org> Received: from PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM (205.186.43.4) by VMS.DC.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.0a) with SMTP id 5471094B ; Fri, 1 Mar 1996 16:12:19 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 1996 20:01:43 +0000 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list X-UIDL: 825717441.001 From: ucleaar Subject: Re: xelfanva and comments X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan Status: U X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 1373 Lojbab > This may have been the first use of no'a other than in a refgrammar > example for all I know . A recent use of it from the first of the current series of chinese whispers: > > Ca le lambavdei mi zilxru le xotli i taacuu ca ro donri > > i mutce nu troci lo dahi nu le noa ri nelci i mi gohi i zaa > > melpre > The bottom line is that no'a is not used a lot, and I was trying to do the > one thing we do not have good Lojban devices for - sumti forward reference > (what I have called cataphora vice anaphora, to pc's humor). I could have > been pedantic and exact with a negative subscript "ri", but the thought > turned my stomach in knots. I am sure that someday someone will be forced to > such lengths to preserve the ordering of phrases in a translation. Maybe I > am surprised that And Rosta hasn;t tried negative subscripts too. They sound fun. Maybe if you explain them to me I can try to use them. > Now free associating, I contemplate a negative subscript in the proposed > fuzzy logic convention for subscripting ja'a %^) Anyone care to > contemplate negative truth values and negative ordinal members of a closed > sequence? I thought maybe negative and positive subscripts of jaa could do for the function for which I proposed NA + CAI - for "very true/false", and for "almost/barely". coo, mie and-