From lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Tue Jul 30 00:05:23 1996 Received: from punt4.demon.co.uk by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA13415 ; Tue, 30 Jul 96 00:05:20 BST Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk id 838664226:28813:0; Mon, 29 Jul 96 19:17:06 BST Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([128.228.1.2]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa28482; 29 Jul 96 19:16 +0100 Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 2801; Mon, 29 Jul 96 14:16:07 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 4399; Mon, 29 Jul 96 14:15:54 EDT Date: Mon, 29 Jul 1996 14:14:14 -0400 Reply-To: John Cowan Sender: Lojban list From: John Cowan Organization: Lojban Peripheral Subject: Re: may the wind.... To: Lojban List Message-ID: <838664188.28482.0@cunyvm.cuny.edu> Status: R la andruc. cusku di'e > There is a mechanism for making something figurative, by using pe'a and a > closing marker which I can't remember. But this begs the important > questions: We ditched that. It's now just "pe'a", with the usual UI rules operating: modifies what it precedes, or affects the whole utterance at the beginning. > 1) What does "pe'a .a'o roroi brife le do trixe" actually MEAN in lojban? It means whatever the speaker intends it to mean. > 2) How can pe'a be understood by lojbo without reference to their > (non-lojban) culture(s)? It cannot. > 3) And, underlying these two: is there any point in using or even having > pe'a? The practical recognition that people will use non-constituent metaphors, and the desire to have some way of distinguishing these from more normal tanru. -- John Cowan cowan@ccil.org e'osai ko sarji la lojban