From lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Mon Oct 21 18:29:29 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16417 ; Mon, 21 Oct 96 18:29:27 BST Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk id 845884007:27718:1; Mon, 21 Oct 96 08:46:47 BST Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([128.228.1.2]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa27457; 21 Oct 96 8:46 BST Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 3932; Mon, 21 Oct 96 03:45:10 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0749; Mon, 21 Oct 96 03:44:58 EDT Date: Mon, 21 Oct 1996 03:43:37 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: LogFlash To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Message-ID: <845883962.27457.0@cunyvm.cuny.edu> Status: R The version of LogFlash on the ftp and WWW servers is indeed the current one, which has been unchanged for at least 5 years. The only thing that has changed in that timeframe was teh word lists, and those have not been changed since LogFlash was put online. Do we have a stable language, or what? zo'o As to the tradeoff between l4earning vocabulary and grammar - it probably depends on what you will be doing with the language and where/when. If you are reading texts, you can probably do fine by learning vocabulary as you need it by looking it up. If you are going to write Lojban, and wish to do it well, you need a good overview of what concepts are covered in the gismu list, and which are not, or you will spend time groping for metaphors when none are needed. But even then, if you are composing online and have a copy of the draft dictionary or even the gismu list that you can grep, you will get by. But if you wish to compose offline, or to converse in Lojban, vocabulary starts playing much more important a role than mastery of the grammar. Of course, anyone who does LogFlash and finishes, contributes to the scientific research aspect of the language (assuming they send their data files to us when they are done). For them, I recommend starting in "Gaining Control" mode rather than the default "New Word review" mode which is intended to give a faster overview of the whole vocabulary with less focus on actually mastering any particular set of words. Gaining Control mode followed by Maintenance mode, has been demonstrated to teachg the vocabulary so effectively that you won't forget the words if you try. (Nora still can pull up old TLI vocabulary that she learned in 1981-4 with LogFlash, and she has avoided looking at those words since 1987.) An abbreviated form of the diagrammed summary (lojex.txt in its full form) is found in Chapter 2 of the refgrammar, though the latest draft has had substantial rewrite to blend it with the rest of the book. lojbab ---- lojbab lojbab@access.digex.net Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: ftp.access.digex.net /pub/access/lojbab or see Lojban WWW Server: href="http://xiron.pc.helsinki.fi/lojban/"