From - Tue Oct 22 09:34:18 1996 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Date: Tue Oct 22 09:34:18 1996 Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: lujvo morphology X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-UIDL: c7d962b5a903678eb19fde491b5a5253 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 974 Message-ID: Mark wrote: >>>- la rik. cusku lu mi cliva li'u >>This is logically the simplest of the four: 'Rick expresses [the words] >>"mi cliva"'. Its truth depends on whether he does so, and not on whether >>they are true. It is still not explicit that he utters the words >>(perhaps he paints them), but it is explicit that it is the quoted jufra >>that he expresses, not its meaning > >I seem to remember that this isn't so. That "cusku" even with lu/li'u >quotes implies that the concept is communcated somehow, but not necessarily >the words. I could say "le gerku cu cusku lu prami li'u" if the dog only >expressed the concept of love by wagging its tail, etc. cusku indeed is not limited to verbal communications. But "lu li'u" quotes imply an exact quotation. I would use "lu'elu" for something that is effectively the same meaning as the stuff within the quotes. He is expressing some type of symbol that indicates that quoted meaning. lojbab