From lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Tue Oct 15 23:48:59 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16374 ; Tue, 15 Oct 96 23:48:54 BST Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk id 845390883:19341:2; Tue, 15 Oct 96 15:48:03 BST Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([128.228.1.2]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa19078; 15 Oct 96 15:47 BST Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 2297; Tue, 15 Oct 96 10:46:11 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 6588; Tue, 15 Oct 96 10:45:55 EDT Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:44:33 -0400 Reply-To: "Mark E. Shoulson" Sender: Lojban list From: "Mark E. Shoulson" Subject: Re: single consonant words X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Multiple recipients of list LOJBAN In-Reply-To: <199610151023.GAA07197@cs.columbia.edu> (reneuit%SCI.KUN.NL@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU) Message-ID: <845390852.19078.0@cunyvm.cuny.edu> Status: R -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:22:33 +0200 >From: "R.M. Uittenbogaard" >I was just curious: >Is it allowed to have single consonant words? Like this: >mi viska la f. (not "la fy.") > or la .f. >mi se cmene zoi .f. bobo .f. >Actually, I can see no problems here, although single-consonant words >might sometimes require a pause before them (probably always except >after LA or DOI). Indeed, this has come up before. I remember once pointing out a cartoon in Ju'i Lobypli (a former Lojban newsletter) which used "lat." as a cmene, and I said that it was illegal because of the "la" which cannot be in cmene. I also said that it probably didn't matter, though, since it didn't make sense any other way. And Rosta, however, pointed out that there was nothing in the rules about a cmene of "t", and indeed it's pronounceable, since consonants may be pronounced with the (infamous) optional "buffer vowel." He makes a good point, and while "t" may be a tough name, I personally have no trouble using "f" as a cmene. Ivan Derzhanski and I, in discussing names for letters in the Devanagari alphabet, decided we liked "r." as a cmene (in r.bu) and even "r'r.", though that one may not pass official muster. All cmene require pauses before them except after LA or DOI. ~mark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2 Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQB1AwUBMmOjS8ppGeTJXWZ9AQFDfgMAmtL9XjLBJqIH05H3YtUxXC1m5lU60YSr Syu2w3WjmJu7w5+y1qI8klG5r3CrVzDNBX9sVtisOgazUTn22/oKQF4WxEcno1tO BQsTOqGcpYcnG5j8AVE2SHYVlJun70it =29HK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----