From lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Sun Oct 06 00:42:30 1996 Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA15960 ; Sun, 06 Oct 96 00:42:28 BST Received: from punt-4.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk id 844538354:05133:0; Sat, 05 Oct 96 18:59:14 BST Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([128.228.1.2]) by punt-4.mail.demon.net id aa04701; 5 Oct 96 18:58 BST Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 6051; Sat, 05 Oct 96 13:58:14 EDT Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 0067; Sat, 05 Oct 96 13:58:00 EDT Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 11:37:16 -0600 Reply-To: Chris Bogart Sender: Lojban list From: Chris Bogart Organization: Quetzal Subject: Re: lujvo morphology X-To: lojban%cuvmb.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu To: Multiple recipients of list LOJBAN Message-ID: <844538309.4701.0@cunyvm.cuny.edu> Status: R R.M. Uittenbogaard wrote: >....In one of the ckafybarja texts found on an ftp site, > the word "mlitoinandu" appears. I wondered how a Lojban-speaker would know > that this is intended to be one single lujvo: since the stressed syllable is > the penultimate one, I would expect this word to fall apart into > "mlitoi nandu" which is a tanru and so might have a distinct meaning from > the meaning intended. I'm not sure, but I think that was an error -- it should be "mlitoirnandu". > Actually, I would find it a much better solution if all the vowel-final > rafsi were abandoned altogether. This can be done by eliminating all the > rafsi for gismu, and only assign CVC type rafsi, and only to cmavo. The I personally have only learned a few of the rafsi, and I generally make lujvo with the 4-letter forms and -y-. Not because I oppose rafsi but just because it's too much to memorize. I pick up more of them as I go along. This is the sort of thing that usage is likely to decide regardless of LLG's wishes -- I bet rafsi that are not used productively or in common words will become rare things that people have to look up. But certainly there's no problem with rafsi like "-gau" for gasnu, "-pre" for prenu, etc. They're short and convenient and better than attatching the 4/5 letter form. -- ____ Chris Bogart \ / http://www.quetzal.com Boulder, CO \/ cbogart@quetzal.com