From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:59:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 23474 invoked from network); 25 Nov 1996 16:07:30 -0000 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 25 Nov 1996 16:07:30 -0000 Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <5.9A818CC3@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Mon, 25 Nov 1996 17:07:29 +0100 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 15:33:39 GMT+0 Reply-To: And Rosta Sender: Lojban list From: And Rosta Organization: University of Central Lancashire Subject: Re: subordinate interrogatives To: LOJBAN@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Content-Length: 969 Lines: 25 Message-ID: Mark to Jorge: > >Let's see now, we can also do {mokau}: > > > > ko'a djuno ku'au mi mo kau > > she knows that I Qu N.I.F. > > "She knows what I am." > > > >Which expands to: > > > > ro bu'a zo'u ge da jei zei jei gi ko'a djuno ku'au > > da jei mi bu'a > > "For every F(), there is something that is a truth value and > > that she thinks is the truth value of the proposition F(mi)." > This reminds me of when I first ran into these second-order propositions, I > think with a sentence in the Book of Esther where it says "For she had told > the King what he (Mordecai) was to her." I don't think we needed a ku'au > for it. {kuau} is just an alternative to {loy duu}. It is not approved by Lojban Central, because it is motivated solely by conceptual elegance, and not by dire need. The issue Jorge address is: What is the logical alternative to the colloquial {mo kaw}? [& Xorxes gives the answer.] coo, mie And