From lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Wed Nov 13 23:36:42 1996 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16715 ; Wed, 13 Nov 96 23:36:40 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk id 847850935:5:18527:1; Wed, 13 Nov 96 02:08:55 GMT Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([128.228.1.2]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id aa611469; 13 Nov 96 2:08 GMT Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 7369; Tue, 12 Nov 96 21:08:36 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 5383; Tue, 12 Nov 96 21:08:18 EDT Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 21:07:13 -0500 Reply-To: "Trevor C. Hill" Sender: Lojban list From: "Trevor C. Hill" Subject: place switching cmavo... X-To: LOJBAN@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Multiple recipients of list LOJBAN Message-ID: <847850928.611469.0@cunyvm.cuny.edu> Status: R I have an idea that i'd like to discuss regarding the 'se te ve xe' cmavo... It seems to me that because the places are, for the most part, ordered by frequency of use, these words should simply take a certain place (x2 for se) and put it at the front, leaving the other places in their original order... The main reason I think I like this approach better is because when i'm speaking lojban to friends, I always need to use a 'fa fe etc.' word after the brivla to get back to the x1 place... and there is no doubt in my mind that there are extremely few people who can do more than one 'switching' transformation on the fly and still know where the places are going to be afterwards... This approach would still allow all of the transformations that can be done with the present approach, but would imho have the advantage of persistent simplicity and of keeping the most often used cmavo near the beginning of the place structure.... I'm interested in hearing people's thoughts on this... I've been thinking about this quite a lot and it seems to me that this approach is really better for practical use..... feel free to blast me if i'm wrong though :) thanx... Trevor C. Hill th2x+@andrew.cmu.edu