From lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Wed Nov 13 23:37:10 1996 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16732 ; Wed, 13 Nov 96 23:37:00 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk id 847905199:5:07911:0; Wed, 13 Nov 96 17:13:19 GMT Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([128.228.1.2]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id aa617525; 13 Nov 96 17:13 GMT Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 9621; Wed, 13 Nov 96 12:12:53 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 1364; Wed, 13 Nov 96 12:12:35 EDT Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 09:12:20 -0800 Reply-To: jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jim Carter Subject: Re: place switching cmavo... X-To: LOJBAN@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Multiple recipients of list LOJBAN Message-ID: <847905186.617525.0@cunyvm.cuny.edu> Status: R On 1996-11-12 "Trevor C. Hill" writes: > ... It seems to me that because the places are, for the most part, > ordered by frequency of use, these words should simply take a certain > place (x2 for se) and put it at the front, leaving the other places in > their original order... (because you usually want to fill x1 and so need "fa" as well as "se".) I also have noticed that effect. If it were five years ago I would have (and I think I did) argued to have conversion operators just yank a place rather than swap places. But we now have the inertia of a fair amount of text written to the original TLI behavior of conversions, plus a baseline, so my support for the idea has to be virtual, not actual. -gua!spi conversion operators do not swap places; they leave remaining places in the original order. James F. Carter Voice 310 825 2897 FAX 310 206 6673 UCLA-Mathnet; 6115 MSA; 405 Hilgard Ave.; Los Angeles, CA, USA 90095-1555 Internet: jimc@math.ucla.edu (finger for PGP key) UUCP:...!{ucsd,ames,ncar,gatech,purdue,rutgers,decvax,uunet}!math.ucla.edu!jimc