From lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Mon Nov 25 00:21:20 1996 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16806 ; Mon, 25 Nov 96 00:21:17 GMT Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk id 848865064:6:01459:2; Sun, 24 Nov 96 19:51:04 GMT Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([128.228.1.2]) by relay-5.mail.demon.net id aa519336; 24 Nov 96 19:51 GMT Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 5088; Sun, 24 Nov 96 14:50:51 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 1083; Sun, 24 Nov 96 14:50:25 EDT Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:50:34 -0500 Reply-To: "Mark E. Shoulson" Sender: Lojban list From: "Mark E. Shoulson" Subject: Re: subordinate interrogatives X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Multiple recipients of list LOJBAN In-Reply-To: <199611230229.VAA27090@cs.columbia.edu> (jorge%INTERMEDIA.COM.AR@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU) Message-ID: <848865062.519336.0@cunyvm.cuny.edu> Status: R >Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:29:09 -0300 >From: "Jorge J. Llambias" > >Excellent! Excelentisimo! > >Let's see now, we can also do {mokau}: > > ko'a djuno ku'au mi mo kau > she knows that I Qu N.I.F. > "She knows what I am." > >Which expands to: > > ro bu'a zo'u ge da jei zei jei gi ko'a djuno ku'au > da jei mi bu'a > "For every F(), there is something that is a truth value and > that she thinks is the truth value of the proposition F(mi)." This reminds me of when I first ran into these second-order propositions, I think with a sentence in the Book of Esther where it says "For she had told the King what he (Mordecai) was to her." I don't think we needed a ku'au for it. ~mark