From lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Fri Nov 22 00:29:19 1996 Received: from relay-6.mail.demon.net by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16781 ; Fri, 22 Nov 96 00:29:17 GMT Received: from relay-5.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk id 848601033:5:00123:0; Thu, 21 Nov 96 18:30:33 GMT Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([128.228.1.2]) by relay-6.mail.demon.net id aa617270; 21 Nov 96 18:30 GMT Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 5278; Thu, 21 Nov 96 13:30:12 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 3596; Thu, 21 Nov 96 13:29:59 EDT Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 11:29:12 -0700 Reply-To: Chris A Bogart Sender: Lojban list From: Chris A Bogart Subject: Re: place switching cmavo... X-To: lojban%cuvmb.bitnet@mitvma.mit.edu To: Multiple recipients of list LOJBAN In-Reply-To: <199611211642.JAA09579@indra.com> Message-ID: <848601030.617270.0@cunyvm.cuny.edu> Status: R On Tue, 19 Nov 1996, R.M. Uittenbogaard wrote: > I always thought the places were numbered subsequently, and > > fo le dargu cu klama fa mi do lemi zdani le karce > > meant that "le karce" occupies the x4 place as well, which makes > it equal in meaning to: > > mi klama do lemi zdani le dargu .e le karce , or > mi klama do lemi zdani le dargu fo le karce > > So instead, filled places are skipped for subsequent sumti? I think you're right and Lojbab is mistaken on this one, but I don't have my references here at work to look it up. I seem to remember a discussion on this where someone suggested that (to use your example) le karce and le dargu would act like appositives, supposedly naming the same thing (and I forget the cmavo which would do this directly: po'u? no'u? something like that maybe...) co'o mi'e kris