From lojban@cuvmb.bitnet Sat Nov 23 21:13:01 1996 Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by stryx.demon.co.uk with SMTP id AA16804 ; Sat, 23 Nov 96 21:12:59 GMT Received: from relay-10.mail.demon.net by mailstore for ia@stryx.demon.co.uk id 848716204:10:17530:3; Sat, 23 Nov 96 02:30:04 GMT Received: from cunyvm.cuny.edu ([128.228.1.2]) by relay-10.mail.demon.net id aa1017520; 23 Nov 96 2:29 GMT Received: from CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 1665; Fri, 22 Nov 96 21:29:39 EST Received: from CUVMB.COLUMBIA.EDU by CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU (Mailer R2.07) with BSMTP id 9005; Fri, 22 Nov 96 21:29:26 EDT Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:29:09 -0300 Reply-To: "Jorge J. Llambias" Sender: Lojban list From: "Jorge J. Llambias" Subject: Re: subordinate interrogatives X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Multiple recipients of list LOJBAN Message-ID: <848716196.1017520.0@cunyvm.cuny.edu> Status: R Excellent! Excelentisimo! Let's see now, we can also do {mokau}: ko'a djuno ku'au mi mo kau she knows that I Qu N.I.F. "She knows what I am." Which expands to: ro bu'a zo'u ge da jei zei jei gi ko'a djuno ku'au da jei mi bu'a "For every F(), there is something that is a truth value and that she thinks is the truth value of the proposition F(mi)." But I can't do {xokau}, because there is no bindable quantifier variable: ko'a djuno ku'au mi citka xo kau plise she knows that I eat Qu N.I.F. apples "She knows how many apples I eat." "For every q, there is something that is a truth value and that she thinks is the truth value of the proposition that I eat q apples." How do we say that in Lojban? co'o mi'e xorxes