From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:59:16 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 5747 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1996 19:51:08 -0000 Received: from SEGATE.SUNET.SE (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 24 Nov 1996 19:51:08 -0000 Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <9.ABCA34FD@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Sun, 24 Nov 1996 20:51:04 +0100 Date: Sun, 24 Nov 1996 14:50:34 -0500 Reply-To: "Mark E. Shoulson" Sender: Lojban list From: "Mark E. Shoulson" Subject: Re: subordinate interrogatives X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199611230229.VAA27090@cs.columbia.edu> (jorge%INTERMEDIA.COM.AR@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU) Content-Length: 792 Lines: 24 Message-ID: >Date: Fri, 22 Nov 1996 23:29:09 -0300 >From: "Jorge J. Llambias" > >Excellent! Excelentisimo! > >Let's see now, we can also do {mokau}: > > ko'a djuno ku'au mi mo kau > she knows that I Qu N.I.F. > "She knows what I am." > >Which expands to: > > ro bu'a zo'u ge da jei zei jei gi ko'a djuno ku'au > da jei mi bu'a > "For every F(), there is something that is a truth value and > that she thinks is the truth value of the proposition F(mi)." This reminds me of when I first ran into these second-order propositions, I think with a sentence in the Book of Esther where it says "For she had told the King what he (Mordecai) was to her." I don't think we needed a ku'au for it. ~mark