From - Mon Nov 18 10:03:37 1996 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Date: Mon Nov 18 10:03:37 1996 Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: place switching cmavo... X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: John Cowan X-UIDL: 5a5992efda2081748df3b5268f6be445 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 Content-Length: 809 Message-ID: reneuit@SCI.KUN.NL: >fo le dargu cu klama fa mi do lemi zdani fu le karce The "fu" is not necessary there, since the "fo" has already been taken care of. This alternative style of conversion was considered way back in the olden days of Loglan, and turns out not to work as often. The "Fv [sumti] [selbri] fa .... covers it at the cost of two syllables which is likely what any cmavo assigned to the job would take. One reason for "the way things are" is for descriptions. "le ve klama" the route of going If you want to add a place it is indeed the x2 that is the most common: le ve klama be le xarci "the route to the store" and not le ve klama be fa mi "the route gone by me (to someplace unstated)" because context usually supplies the x1 in descriotion situations. lojbab