From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:58:44 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 17900 invoked from network); 21 Dec 1996 07:21:00 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 21 Dec 1996 07:21:00 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <15.5B7433DF@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Sat, 21 Dec 1996 8:20:58 +0100 Date: Sat, 21 Dec 1996 02:19:43 -0500 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: regaridng dai X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1091 Lines: 18 Message-ID: "dai" was introduced into the language specifically to deal with reported speech and actions. Some may recall Ivan's translation of a Bulgarian tale - i think it was called "Story of the Stairs" wherein a storyteller is reporting many people's actions and attitudes. The question arose whether the attitudinals wer those of the storyteller or of the character being described. Since except in stories, we cannot presume to know quite how another person feels, but rather only the emotions that they reveal or express, it seemed that attitudinals must either be quoted, or if the text was only reported speech/action, then there needed to be a marker indicating that the speaker was empathically recognizing the reported person's emoptions and was thus able to report them. This solution seemed adequate for the storytelling genre as well. Indeed, the storyteller wants to INVOKE empathy on the part of the audience in a story. (originally of course, this was se'inai, but we ended up using it for two different sense of "non-self emotion" and assigned dai to the empathy one. lojbab