From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:58:52 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 30444 invoked from network); 17 Dec 1996 16:37:27 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 17 Dec 1996 16:37:27 -0000 Received: from listmail.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <10.6985051E@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Tue, 17 Dec 1996 17:37:17 +0100 Date: Tue, 17 Dec 1996 11:36:12 -0500 Reply-To: "Mark E. Shoulson" Sender: Lojban list From: "Mark E. Shoulson" Subject: Re: A challenge X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199612161540.KAA19178@cs.columbia.edu> (message from Don Wiggins on Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:15:54 GMT) Content-Length: 1040 Lines: 21 Message-ID: >Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 13:15:54 GMT >From: Don Wiggins > >>If I did not say it last time, the concept of two aliens using attitudinal-only >>speech when the attuitudinals were defined strictly for human emotions seemed >>incredibly and moind-bogglingly wrong. If I were to do it with attitudinals, >>I would include a few experimental cmavo that seemed likely to be attitudinals >>in the string just to capture the alienness of the presumed emotion. > >I don't think that using the lojban. attitudinals is wrong, it is purely an >imitation of the GalThree language using one type of lojbanic device, where in >the English hyphenation is used. It doesn't actually mean that the aliens >said it. I agree. Indeed, the author felt that the alien's emotions were sufficiently analogous to human emotions as to put "we're glad" into her mouth. They plainly feel emotion, and if we're to understand their emotions we must put them in our own terms, using our own attitudinals. ~mark