From LOJBAN@CUVMB.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU Sat Mar 6 22:58:29 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Received: (qmail 5359 invoked from network); 18 Dec 1996 15:19:11 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se (192.36.125.6) by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with SMTP; 18 Dec 1996 15:19:11 -0000 Received: from segate.sunet.se by SEGATE.SUNET.SE (LSMTP for OpenVMS v1.1a) with SMTP id <11.A7109402@SEGATE.SUNET.SE>; Wed, 18 Dec 1996 16:19:05 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 15:14:11 GMT+0 Reply-To: And Rosta Sender: Lojban list From: And Rosta Organization: University of Central Lancashire Subject: Re: lojban imperfections? To: LOJBAN@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Content-Length: 993 Lines: 20 Message-ID: <_6sABOfKh-J.A.M4B.V60kLB@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Lojbab: > >Is there anybody in the world fluent in Lojban, speaking fast and > >naturally, just as an Anglophone speaks English? > There is one such person, Nick Nicholas of Australia, who has seemed fluent to > his listeners, but since no one is a fluent listener (i.e. can follow him in > detail at that speed), he has to slow down a lot. He also might make a few > errors, but few detect them, and his written Lojban is of high quality. No discredit to Nick, but that is a great exaggeration. Admittedly, I heard him when he was some years out of practice, but it would be fairer to say that it was halting, due, I'd have thought, to his having noone to speak it to, rather than to a lack of knowledge of vocab. Maybe the fairest comparison is with non-native speakers of English who read and write English with ease but who never have the chance to speak it. I can't assess Nick's powers as a hearer, because I have not heard anyone fluent enough to put him to the test. coo, mie And